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zanart · 05-15-2008 17:04:44

By the way I understand a solution has been created for this by another member and should be installed later today whereby the gift certificate value will be deducted after VAT & Shipping has been calculated.

Last edited by zanart (05-15-2008 17:05:06)

Steveb9990 · 05-15-2008 17:43:07

Hi zanart,

I've had a dawning moment. There's something we haven't considered in all of this and it's all in the wording!

When you , you charged VAT on that sale.

Let's assume the certificate was £235 inclusive of VAT. You then have to pay the £35 over to HMRC.

The recipient of the certificate then purchases £470 of VAT inclusive goods and then applies the gift certificate to the sale, which leaves a total of £235 inclusive of VAT left to pay. You then have to pay the £35 over to HMRC.

Everything is totally correct!

If you were applying a discount it would be a different matter. With this scenario you would have to apply the discount before the VAT is applied.

Cheers,

Steve

zanart · 05-15-2008 17:47:48

That is exactly how it should work Steve and it does if the prices include VAT but not if they are displayed excluding VAT.

I have now solved my problem with a super mod from another member as previously described.

But I do feel this is a CCP problem of where it calculates the discount from.

Steveb9990 · 05-15-2008 18:10:23

Hi zanart,

I presume you are retailing to the public, rather than businesses? If so, you would be better offering your wares at VAT inclusive prices. This then solves all your problems when dealing with gift certificates/vouchers.

If you were to offer onsite discounts when purchasing £XXX worth of goods, then VAT exclusive prices would be the correct option.

So simple, and yet so complicated!

celdirect · 05-15-2008 20:50:17

Hey

Check up on the current VAT LAW and work back from there!!! Forget what anyone says, the VAT man is the one u should listen too as they can close you down and fine you and even put u in prison - They have more power than the police. I know this as my brother is a VAT man!

If your sales are under the current UK threshold of about £67,000 don't bother to register for VAT u don't need too.

(but hey you all know best???)

Last edited by celdirect (05-15-2008 20:57:05)

zanart · 05-16-2008 01:42:40

Hi Celdirect

We are VAT registered and have been for 20 years with no problems whatsoever - and we don't won't to start now!!

Steveb9990

I know I can work around my problem and I have done so, my point is are other website calculating figures incorrectly??

Thanks all for your contribution.

GreenbarnWeb · 05-16-2008 03:00:39

Hi Zanart,

I think you are getting confused between discounts and the Vat.

When the system is set-up to exclude vat the discount amount also excludes NOT including Vat.

Please do not change the Vat calculation or you will get into trouble with the vat man.

Steveb9990 · 05-16-2008 03:11:18

celdirect,

HMRC requires that discounts be applied prior to VAT being added to the goods total.

Where gift certs/vouchers are concerned it's a different matter. These are not discounts, they are tangible goods and VAT has to be charged on the sale of said gift cert/voucher, hence these are applied after VAT is added to the goods total.

That's the be all and end all where HMRC is concerned. It really is that simple.

Hi zanart,

That's a foregone conclusion. You'd be surprised at just how many business people are completely lost when it comes to VAT. My wife is an accountant and I would say that the figure is well over 50% who get it wrong!

All the best,

Steve

zanart · 05-16-2008 04:35:16

I think I have confused everybody by describing a customer purchased gift voucher as a discount.

My website is now set up as follows.

If a customer enters a GIFT CERTIFICATE number at checkout the value is deducted from the Goods + Shipping + VAT total.

If I offer a customer a discount of £100 on a certain amount of goods this value is deducted from the Cart subtotal before VAT & Shipping is added.

Perfect I think.

Steveb9990 · 05-16-2008 04:43:29

Exactly as it should be, zanart.

Can you point me towards the 'fix' so that I may mark it for (possible) later use? Ta.

zanart · 05-16-2008 05:02:38

Steve

You over estimate my intelligence!

I have paid for a gift certificate module, including a check value feature, to be installed by another member. I am pretty sure he has cracked it so it is now prefect. I will check that he wants to sell this module first before displaying his details & singing his praises.

Rob

Steveb9990 · 05-16-2008 05:14:29

Ah. On that basis, Rob, your level of 'intelligence' is on a par with mine!

Cheers,

Steve

celdirect · 05-16-2008 09:45:29

Steveb9990

QUOTE

HMRC requires that discounts be applied prior to VAT being added to the goods total.

Where gift certs/vouchers are concerned it's a different matter. These are not discounts, they are tangible goods and VAT has to be charged on the sale of said gift cert/voucher, hence these are applied after VAT is added to the goods total.

END QUOTE

I said that in my first post - which i take that you did not read properly!

Last edited by celdirect (05-16-2008 09:47:12)

zanart · 05-17-2008 02:39:25

For anyone that is interested in a gift certificate module mine was installed and perfected by member dh783.

You can see mine inaction here: http://www.thepictureframingexperts.co. … _gift.html

Customer can enter any value above a minimum charge. They can opt for the details to be sent to a recipients address. The gfit certificate value can be viewed within the accounts page or by entering the number into a check balance box.
The certificate discount is calculated after shipping & VAT has been added to the shopping cart.
Any unsoent monies remain on the gift certificate.
You can also set various expiry dates & percentage increases due to lapsed time periods.

The gift certificate module does not affect the built in CCP discount code structure which works differently.

Your website can be set to include VAT or exclude VAT in the prices.

Perfect Job.

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