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#1 03-31-2015 07:39:47

ThomasGiannou
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Install of 8.0.9

I just wanted to say great work!  This install went really smooth and I encountered no problems.   I got onto google webmaster tools and the shopping cart pages are now all mobile friendly.   This is just in time before google starts the process of giging sites that are not mobile friendly.

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#2 04-01-2015 06:45:17

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Thanks for the positive feedback on the update.  Much appreciated.


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#3 04-01-2015 12:19:42

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

I should clarify what this scramble is all about to make web sites Mobile Friendly.  Google recognizes that the use of Mobile Devices to access the internet is on the rise.  Google is also able to detect that it is a Mobile Device that is being used to browse their index.  So, to accommodate those Mobile Devices, the Google Search Results will be rated higher for those web sites that are "Mobile Friendly" vs those web sites that are not Mobile Friendly.   When this is implemented in their index, Google will also flag the index entry their Bots have identified as Mobile Friendly.  The Google Index will thus be more useful in what it serves up when the device used is a Mobile Device.

When  Google's search engine is accessed by a non-mobile device like a desktop computer or a laptop computer.  Web sites in Google's index will have the same rating system applied to their pages as has previously existed.  The rating and position in the Google index will not be changed even if the website is Mobile Friendly when the Google Index is viewed by a desktop (non-mobile device).

What this means is that two different views of the Google Search engine results are going to be presented depending upon what kind of device you use to access the Google search engine index.   Web Sites will gain a better position in the Google Search engine results if they are Mobile Friendly AND if the user is using a Mobile Device.    If a non-Mobile-Device is used to access the Google Index, the pages will be served up with no advantage given to sites that are Mobile Friendly.   What you see in the Google Index is going to depend upon what kind of device you are using to access that index. 

What we don't know yet is just how much different will the Google Index be when using a Desktop/laptop computer to access the Google Index than what is served up by the Google Search engine when we are using a Mobile Device to access the Google Index.

It's seems to me that Google technical staff might be straying a bit away from what the user of their index is looking for.  When I'm looking for the best commodity, it doesn't necessarily follow that commodity has to be on a mobile friendly site.   If they go too far in that direction, then I'm going to use some other index in order to find what I'm looking for when I'm using a mobile device.

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#4 04-02-2015 06:43:39

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

^^^ 100% Correct.  I'd add that I had a conversation yesterday where we speculated what the mobile results might look like post-04/21.  Anything is possible, depending on how heavily this signal is weighted.


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#5 04-02-2015 11:39:23

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Awsome looks great and passes the test.

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#6 04-04-2015 08:19:21

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

I had Kryp do the update for me on Mar 31. I'll wait  a few more days but if the Advanced Report Details: Pageview Totals: Last 30 Days is any indication, there's trouble, at least for our site. Our page views were averaging 120K a day, since the update, its only in  the mid 30K range.

Hoping that changes for the better.

Footnote: I don't use a mobile device, we work all day on desktops. Google Stats show about 10% of visitors use some sort of mobile device. That hasn't changed over the last 30 days (including since the update).

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#7 04-06-2015 06:39:38

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Did you do anything else other than the update?  Do you have errors on your site?  Is analytics showing any problems?  A drop like that all at once either indicates a problem, or alot of bad requests all of a sudden being filtered out.  Does analytics match your software stats?


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#8 04-07-2015 07:07:47

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Hi Nick,

Nothing else, you did everything. No errors on site. My Google analytics are ok and typical for the time of year. However, my G stats have never ever matched the stats your software generates. Your code has always produced abnormally high stats on many products, plus the fact that the Dashboard Pageview Chart is always buggy. I've sent you and Jeff examples before.   Maybe your recent update has filtered out duplicate or triplicate recordings of the same request (guessing there).

I'm just ignoring chart for now due to the anomalies that show. Waiting to see if v9 will be any better.

Thanks.

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#9 04-08-2015 07:59:51

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

We can look at whatever you've sent in the ticket system.  If we did the update on a managed hosting account, and your software was not version 8.0.8 at the time of the update, only the 8.0.9 security updates would have been applied manually.  Assuming you were on 8.0.8 and got the full update to 8.0.9, no stat changes were made between those releases.

If at some point we updated your store through the custom shop from a lower version 8 to 8.0.7 or higher, you would see duplicate page requests (404s, etc) drop from the stats causing a perceived, but not actual decline in pageviews.


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#10 04-08-2015 08:12:48

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

You update all our software. Recently you brought us from v6 to v8.x.x, and most recently you updated and sent me the following:

Hello. Your site was updated today. We took careful care to manually update your software to include the critical security updates and the Google mobile enhancements, leaving your version at 8.0.7, and thereby not affecting any of your custom coding. Thank you, and please let us know if you have any questions.

The stats have been out of sync all along, even in v6. Previous discussion https://forum.kryptronic.com/viewtopic. … 46#p153746

But like I said, I'm not going to bother with it for now. And just focus on v9 when it shows up.

I did

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#11 04-09-2015 06:55:53

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

If you would like those Google Mobile updates manually applied to your 8.0.7, please reply to your ticket and we can handle that for you.


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#12 04-09-2015 07:00:13

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

webmaster wrote:

If you would like those Google Mobile updates manually applied to your 8.0.7, please reply to your ticket and we can handle that for you.

Nick, Isn't that what you did?

webmaster wrote:

...We took careful care to manually update your software to include the critical security updates and the Google mobile enhancements, leaving your version at 8.0.7...

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#13 04-09-2015 07:16:27

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Yes, we did.  Sorry - not enough coffee yet this AM.  I just ran the test and noticed some of your images on your store homepage were not properly formatted in your HTML (you were using width=550).  I changed them to use style="max-width: 550px; width: 100%;".  Now Google is happy:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools … om%2Fstore


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#14 04-09-2015 07:20:37

CrownRoyal
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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Thanks Nick.

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#15 04-11-2015 13:03:19

CrownRoyal
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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Nick,

If the previous version was incorrectly recording page views, what raw code can I run to dump that stats on all the store stats while leaving the 'customer...' and 'order...' stats in place? Is that advisable?  The current stats are useless now that it seems it was not recording correctly.

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#16 04-13-2015 07:21:45

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Run these SQL statements separately:

DELETE FROM core_statsns

DELETE FROM core_statsfe

In Raw DB Admin to clear all stats (does not touch orders, customers).


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#17 04-13-2015 07:30:29

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

I tried your suggestion. I followed each statement with a semi colon (assuming same behaviour as a Terminal command).

I got error messages:

A problem was encountered while executing the SQL statement submitted. The error was reported as: The MySQL extension encountered a problem submitting an SQL statement. MySQL reported the error as: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DELETE FROM core_statsfe' at line 2

The following SQL statement was submitted: DELETE FROM core_statsns; DELETE FROM core_statsfe;

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#18 04-13-2015 07:31:50

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Run these SQL statements separately <--- TWO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS, RUN ONE AT A TIME:

DELETE FROM core_statsns <--- NO SEMICOLON

DELETE FROM core_statsfe <--- NO SEMICOLON


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#19 04-13-2015 07:33:25

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

Done, thanks for the clarification.

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#20 04-13-2015 07:37:20

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Re: Install of 8.0.9

No problem.


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